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  • Bradley P. Beaulieu

    I was one of the inaugural members of the Night Bazaar, and during that first year we talked about villains, and an interesting thing came up in the comments. I’d talked about favoring the heroes and villains should be both be gray, and Doug Hulick, of Among Thieves fame, countered my post by saying (essentially) that sometimes it’s ok to have black and white villains and heroes. I’ll admit. I was pretty ensconced in my viewpoint, but I do try to step outside of my preconceptions when someone takes a view that opposes mine. So I noodled it for a bit. I thought about it. And, well, while I understood where Doug was coming from, I still didn’t think that sort of story was for me. And in fact, I’ll admit it, I kind of looked down on that type of story as simplistic. Literary popcorn.

    But, as the mind tends to do, now and again my hindbrain would bring the subject up, especially when I thought about my basic approach to writing. I kept going back to an observation my agent passed on to me after he’d read my first book, The Winds of Khalakovo. He said that in general (there are always exceptions) stories with fairly easy to comprehend villains do better in the marketplace. At the time, I scoffed, not at my agent, but at shortsighted readers. I’m part of the gray crowd, I told myself. I’m a disciple of Glen Cook and George R.R. Martin.

    But as I thought about this more and more, I started to see the value in making the villain more black and the hero more white. I think the biggest benefit of such an approach relates to how deeply the reader roots for the heroes and heroines. Said another way, it’s about the level of investment on the part of the reader, how emotional they become over the fate of the characters. Part of this equation is the level to which they sympathize with the heroes. (more…)

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  • What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.  What doesn’t kill our characters makes our stories stronger.

    So Hannibal Lecter is a friend of mine.  So is Ernst Stavro Blofeld.  And The Joker, and Professor Moriarty, and especially Darth Vader.  Maybe Bane, too, but we’ll see.

    Villains in fantastic fiction are one of my favorite things to write because, as the nemesis of the hero, they get to have a lot of the same qualities, but they get to have them in an evil way.  Call me twisted, but writing about the use of power towards nefarious ends is at least as much fun as writing about heroes and their struggles.  And it makes the story that much more satisfying when the hero wins. 

    With acknowledgements to Iago and every henchman-type bad guy, interesting villains to me are generally powerful individuals.  Part of what makes a villain powerful is success in his/her field. You want to know a writer’s politics? See who he casts as the villain in his story.  Corporate greedheads are usually good, but let’s not forget corrupt cops, military officials gone rogue, or maybe even a President who wants to transform a country from a representative republic into a European socialist state…

    But I digress. 

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  • The grand struggle between the white hats and black hats is as old as storytelling itself. In plenty of fiction and films, the lines are pretty clearly drawn—we know from the word go who to root for, and the villains are so nefarious and dastardly, we delight in them finally getting their comeuppance. That kind of story isn’t rich or deep, but it appeals on a basic, maybe even primal, level, because even if it ain’t sophisticated, it sure as hell sells. (Of course, that could be more telling about our collective intelligence or taste than anything fundamental to storytelling. . .)

    But as Carol, Emma, and Paul have pointed out earlier this week, the more nuanced the villain and hero, the more ultimately interesting and compelling your story will be. And with the question on the table as to just how bad your villain can or should be, this is a critically important consideration. If your villain cackles maniacally, twirls a mustache, and hatches plots for destruction or the hero’s demise simply because that’s what evildoers do, or only because the plot calls for it, then you’ve got nothing better than a caricature or at best a deadly flat character, no matter how elaborate or ingenious those plans might be. (more…)

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  • Carol Wolf is the author of Summoning, and Playwriting: The Merciless Craft

    Yesterday I met with Zach Miller, a law student who does a weekly podcast on the rules of law and how they parallel the rules of writing stories. When we sat down to tape a conversation for his podcast, the subject he had in mind for this week, by coincidence, was writing villains.

    So, there was this woman who went on a blind date, and she wore a bunch of expensive jewelry. (True story. Court case). She and her date ended up sleeping at her place afterward, where, in the middle of the night, he woke her up and said, Oh my god, this guy broke in, I couldn’t stop him, and he stole all your jewelry!

    She said, oh my god, I have to call the police. He said, wait wait just let me call a few people, I have a few contacts in jewel stealing, jewel fencing circles, let me just call them and see if I can get your jewels back. So he makes these calls, but unfortunately, he is not able to recover her stolen jewels.

    So, the police come, and they immediately suspect this guy, and end up arresting him, and he is convicted. However, he appeals his conviction (read, smart lawyer, between those lines), and he won his case on appeal, because the information that he had contacts in the jewel-stealing circles was prejudicial, and should not have been presented to the jury. So, this guy wins his case and he is out in the world again and free to go dating. (Don’t wear expensive jewelry on blind dates).

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  • This week we are considering villains, in particular how bad should your villain be. I love a good villain. Like most things when it comes to writing, the how much question comes down to the story you’re telling, and the perceptions of those characters within it. What constitutes a villain to one person may be a hero to the next. A character may have utterly reprehensible attributes, but in other ways be entirely charming (the classic example here would have to be Humbert Humbert in LOLITA). Villainy comes in many forms. It can be extremely dark but extremely funny. A villain can be a person, or a landscape, or it can be the dark side of a character’s nature.

    So how bad? It depends on the tone of your story. On the protagonist of your story. Here are just a few examples of excellent villain archetypes:

    1. The villain you kind of love.
      Example: THE ANUBIS GATES by Tim Powers. Deliciously zany villainy in the form of Horrabin (demented clown conducting sick and vicious experiments on people in the sewers of nineteenth century London, with a little assistance from Egyptian sorcerer Doctor Romany). Villains who are undeniably bad but despite their despicable actions, thoroughly enjoyable. This is the type of villain you know will eventually get their comeuppance – and the joy is all in finding out how it shall be delivered. (more…)
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  • Paul Tobin

    This week, the topic is villains, and just how bad these bad boys should be. And, as always in regards to “rules for authors,” the answer is… that depends.

    Like anything else, a villain is there to serve the story. This means that a villain and a story should be compatible. They should fit together. You don’t write a picture book where the villain collects the faces of dead children, and you don’t write a contemporary adult thriller about a villain who is trying to steal all of New York’s pudding. Divisions of “bad” play a very secondary role to the appropriateness of the villain.

    And these divisions aren’t as clear-cut as I make them seem, above. This is because a villain should also be appropriate to the protagonist, and to the reader. If the protagonist has established family troubles, then the villain can play against that… kidnap a family member, or simply in some way intrude in a very personal way on the antagonist, so that there is no sanctuary at any level. And this intrusion should also play to the reader’s fears and tension. Just because you have a hero who has a hobby of collecting vintage tobacco packaging doesn’t mean an author should have the villain play against that by defacing all the vintage tobacco pouches with magic marker drawings of anthropomorphic genitalia. Sure, it would be traumatic to a man who has dedicated his life to tobacco collecting, but that doesn’t mean it would resonate with the reader. The villain, the hero and the reader must all connect in order to create entertaining book.

    Only with all that in place can we move on to the second stage.

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  • KameronHurley

    I got a little caught up in day-jobbery the last couple weeks, and I figure I covered how useful (or not) reviews/feedback can be in a prior post (plus, I pretty much just agree with Martha – Don’t Be That Guy). A friend did recently ask where my “villains” post was, as she was looking forward to it, so you know, I’m just gonna be a little retro here.

    Some of my favorite books are the ones that don’t actually have villains in them. They simply have people who want different things than your main character(s) want. That’s the secret to writing any great villain. They are the people so terribly human that you find yourself half-believing that maybe you should be rooting for them after all. George R.R. Martin and Joe Abercrombie do a lot of this, where everybody is basically varying shades of gray. When you understand why it is people are doing terrible things, it helps you understand why they do what they do, and – if you do it right – can actually make them a sympathetic character. Not likable, by any means, but somebody whose motivations you can understand. (more…)

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  • In discussing villains, this week several of my co-bloggers here at The Night Bazaar have observed that they aren’t fans of stark black and white, good and evil, but prefer shades of gray. I don’t disagree with them, but I also think there’s an important difference between villain and antagonist. “Antagonist” is a general “slot” into which a person fits in a narrative structure; that person could be evil, good, or (like most things) kinda whatever. There’s also a big difference between protagonist and hero. Hero is the opposite of villain, not the opposite of antagonist.

    The antagonist is someone who works against the protagonist’s aims. The antagonist may be a villain, or not. If they’re a villain, they need to be evil, like, srsly. Evil. Does that mean they’re not sympathetic? No, not at all, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they are sympathetic, either.

    What I personally find kind of bothersome is how often the most unsympathetic villains become the focus of love for readers and film viewers. I’ve never quite gotten how often viewers, particularly in horror, do identify with the villain, without any recourse to the antiheroic traits of moral ambiguity. It often feels to me in horror like the baddies are the ones we’re expected to be rooting for. The most egregious case study I have is the lovable Hannibal Lecter, M.D., but he’s not the first time this trend pissed me off — it actually started with Darth Vader. (more…)

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  • Oh man, I’m late on my post!  And I was trying to go for perfect attendance.  Darn it.  I have many thoughts on villains and now I’m a bit rushed so I apologize if this is somewhat incoherent and obtuse. 

    The difficulty with villains is that if you make them believable and even thoroughly naughty then it’s hard to make them bad guys, right?   It’s hard to understand at what point a normal human being thinks, “Gee,  I think I’ll rape and beat to death someone today for kicks.”  I mean, do they not have cable TV?  What’s the deal? 

    I’ve long been fascinated by how easy it is for nice people to turn into pitiless torturers with very little coercion.  Here are three classic examples of social psychology experiments which show how easy it is to be evil.  What’s more interesting is that all of these experiments are now banned since so many of the participants suffered long term psychological trauma from discovering that they are exactly the kind of people who would line up Jews for the gas chamber.  Should we really stop that kind of research?  I always thought it would be smarter (if painful) to continue a modified version of these tests in the hopes of finding out how to train people to not be evil, but that’s just me. (more…)

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  • I forgot to write my blog post today

    One where we talk about what makes villains

    Like Iago, Sauron, and Vlad D engage

    The reader even when they’re cold chillin’

    as they scheme and plot against good men all.

    Yet they have needs, hopes, and fears coloring

    Their characters despite their hate and gall.

    The dark side’s sexy, hot, alluring

    And sometimes it is just misunderstood.

    The twirling mustache can also be good.

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