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  • KameronHurley

    I got a little caught up in day-jobbery the last couple weeks, and I figure I covered how useful (or not) reviews/feedback can be in a prior post (plus, I pretty much just agree with Martha – Don’t Be That Guy). A friend did recently ask where my “villains” post was, as she was looking forward to it, so you know, I’m just gonna be a little retro here.

    Some of my favorite books are the ones that don’t actually have villains in them. They simply have people who want different things than your main character(s) want. That’s the secret to writing any great villain. They are the people so terribly human that you find yourself half-believing that maybe you should be rooting for them after all. George R.R. Martin and Joe Abercrombie do a lot of this, where everybody is basically varying shades of gray. When you understand why it is people are doing terrible things, it helps you understand why they do what they do, and – if you do it right – can actually make them a sympathetic character. Not likable, by any means, but somebody whose motivations you can understand. (more…)

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  • In discussing villains, this week several of my co-bloggers here at The Night Bazaar have observed that they aren’t fans of stark black and white, good and evil, but prefer shades of gray. I don’t disagree with them, but I also think there’s an important difference between villain and antagonist. “Antagonist” is a general “slot” into which a person fits in a narrative structure; that person could be evil, good, or (like most things) kinda whatever. There’s also a big difference between protagonist and hero. Hero is the opposite of villain, not the opposite of antagonist.

    The antagonist is someone who works against the protagonist’s aims. The antagonist may be a villain, or not. If they’re a villain, they need to be evil, like, srsly. Evil. Does that mean they’re not sympathetic? No, not at all, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they are sympathetic, either.

    What I personally find kind of bothersome is how often the most unsympathetic villains become the focus of love for readers and film viewers. I’ve never quite gotten how often viewers, particularly in horror, do identify with the villain, without any recourse to the antiheroic traits of moral ambiguity. It often feels to me in horror like the baddies are the ones we’re expected to be rooting for. The most egregious case study I have is the lovable Hannibal Lecter, M.D., but he’s not the first time this trend pissed me off — it actually started with Darth Vader. (more…)

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  • Oh man, I’m late on my post!  And I was trying to go for perfect attendance.  Darn it.  I have many thoughts on villains and now I’m a bit rushed so I apologize if this is somewhat incoherent and obtuse. 

    The difficulty with villains is that if you make them believable and even thoroughly naughty then it’s hard to make them bad guys, right?   It’s hard to understand at what point a normal human being thinks, “Gee,  I think I’ll rape and beat to death someone today for kicks.”  I mean, do they not have cable TV?  What’s the deal? 

    I’ve long been fascinated by how easy it is for nice people to turn into pitiless torturers with very little coercion.  Here are three classic examples of social psychology experiments which show how easy it is to be evil.  What’s more interesting is that all of these experiments are now banned since so many of the participants suffered long term psychological trauma from discovering that they are exactly the kind of people who would line up Jews for the gas chamber.  Should we really stop that kind of research?  I always thought it would be smarter (if painful) to continue a modified version of these tests in the hopes of finding out how to train people to not be evil, but that’s just me. (more…)

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  • I forgot to write my blog post today

    One where we talk about what makes villains

    Like Iago, Sauron, and Vlad D engage

    The reader even when they’re cold chillin’

    as they scheme and plot against good men all.

    Yet they have needs, hopes, and fears coloring

    Their characters despite their hate and gall.

    The dark side’s sexy, hot, alluring

    And sometimes it is just misunderstood.

    The twirling mustache can also be good.

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  • I went to Viable Paradise forever and a day ago. It was my first writing workshop, and I was nervous as hell. I’ll admit now (this should come as no big surprise) that I went largely to meet Patrick and Teresa Nielsen Hayden. Sure, I was there to learn, but I also wanted to connect, network, find my “in” to the business.

    (That shouldn’t be your main goal when you go to these things, by the way. Editors can smell desperation from a mile away, and although I didn’t think I was too bad at the time, I probably reeked of it.)

    But I digress. While I was there, lo and behold, I learned a lot, not just from Patrick and Teresa, but Jim MacDonald, Debra Doyle, Steve Gould, and Laura Mixon. Inevitably, when you attend one of these workshops, or when you get a particularly insightful review, you’ll have what I call an “ah-ha!” moment. It’s the point at which the curtain is pulled back and you see something clearly for the first time.

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  • I’m not much for painting in stark blacks and whites. The real world isn’t like that. It’s full of varying shades of grey. Personally, I feel this is the case because we’re meant to think about things. Being an ethical person isn’t easy. It isn’t meant to be. (Which is why I dislike Superman so much. It’s so… flat and boring.) It’s been my experience that when people force reality to conform to pat answers of good vs evil — that’s when they’re more likely to cross the line and become cruel, negative, selfish and well… not to put too fine a point on it… evil. They can have the best of intentions. It doesn’t matter. Evil, real evil, is subtile and comes in all sorts of forms. It wears robes the color of righteousness and tells you to fear that which doesn’t conform. (Think about the film Se7en. Wow. John Doe? Talk about a creepy villain.) It can also be banal and suburban too. Evil isn’t about thinking too much, ultimately. (Super-genius villains tend to be cartoony for that reason.) It isn’t about hard work either. That’s for other people. It can be all about the thrill of power and manipulation too. Fantasy, much as I love it, tends to set up conflicts simplistically. I feel that’s not only lazy thinking, it’s lazy writing too. No one is 100% pure evil — just as no human being is 100% pure good. Villains need layers and complexity the same way Heroes do. They’re more effective that way. Like Courtney, my favorite kind of villain is the sort that feels they’re fighting the good fight. They’re the kind of person who feels the ends justifies the means. (Kick-Ass is one of my favorite examples. Is Mindy’s father a good guy or a bad guy?) Then there’s the banal villain. Ever see the film Jennifer’s Body? The black hats in that film are a group of loser musicians who want to become the next “It” band. They don’t have any higher aspirations than money, a cool car, drugs, and chicks. Dull crap one can achieve with far less drastic means. They just don’t want to work for it. They don’t want to wait. They can’t be bothered. They’re too “special” for that shit. I like that. They’re so… suburban and dull, yet, very evil. Anyway, that’s how I feel about villains. The more human they are, they scarier they’ll be.

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  • Courtney SchaferFirst, let’s take a moment to define “villain”:  for me, it’s an individual character antagonist, as opposed to faceless implacable threats like viruses, mega-corporations, zombie plagues, etc. While stories about man vs. mindless monsters can be gripping, powerful reads, my favorite stories tend to have individuals as antagonists.

    In Liane Merciel’s excellent guest post yesterday, she defined a villain as someone who makes a conscious choice to do evil. My own definition might leave out the “conscious choice of evil” part – I think one of the most unsettling of villains is the character who commits atrocities while wholeheartedly believing s/he serves the cause of good. But I would agree that when I think “villain,” I think of a character who is perpetrating evil in some way, not merely someone who’s preventing our protagonist from achieving a goal.

    So what makes a great villain? When I think of my favorite bad guys, two characteristics come to mind: (more…)

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  • Liane Merciel practices law and fosters dogs (and the occasional gremlin) in Philadelphia. Her books include The River Kings’ Road, Heaven’s Needle (recently selected as one of NPR’s “Mind-Bending Books for a Fantastical Summer”), and the forthcoming Pathfinder Tales novel Nightglass.

    I love villains.

    A good villain improves a story immeasurably. Set against the threat of a really convincing villain, the hero’s peril becomes more gripping, the heroine’s courage more compelling, the stakes higher, the threat of failure unbearable. A great villain conjures dread — and for that reason is one of the most difficult characters to create, because there are very few universal triggers for fear. What terrifies one reader will get a shrug from another (or, worse, a yawn). But there are, I think, a few commonalities that work for most people, most of the time… or, at least, that work for me.

    (Does it sound like I’m talking about horror? I am, a little. To me, a villain represents, and is defined by, the conscious will to do evil. An opposing character with complex motives and ambiguous methods might be a great antagonist, and can certainly present a fantastic conflict for the story, but he’s not a villain. We’re talking pure black hat here — a character who, beyond any doubt, is one bad dude. And that means evil, and that means something very scary indeed.) (more…)

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